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Craig and Lou look at Proposition 34

Proposition 34 would abolish the death penalty

In this episode of Craig and Lou go to the Ballot Box, we look at California Proposition 34 that would abolish the death penalty in California.  We came to the same decision on how we are voting for this measure, but arrived at the decision from different directions.

As with all these videos, we are not endorsing any view, merely showing how we arrived at our decisions, which generally excludes any paid advertising or marketing efforts.  We look only at the measures themselves and who supports what side.  You can make up your own mind once you get past the rhetoric.

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Lou Covey, The Local Motive October 18, 2012 at 02:37 PM
Kali, It's called the US Constitution. A thing called cruel and unusual punishment.
Kali October 19, 2012 at 09:21 AM
Lou, please elaborate. "Cruel and Unusal punishment"? For a person that murders, rapes, etc.? We have to house these animals in comfort? Are you kidding me? Please site in the US constition that requires us to do that. As I said, jail, no comfort. There was a time it was done that way in the US, and most of the world is right to just throw these people in prison, no comfort, as it should be. What we should do is stop putting people in jail because of all the other muriad of laws we put on the book and focus on the truly violent ones. It would save money, and save our officers. Oh, BTW, where do you stand on the victums of these crimes and their families?
Lou Covey, The Local Motive October 19, 2012 at 02:28 PM
Kali, Eighth Amendment. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#Evolving_standards_of_decency You might also want to check out:: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruel_and_unusual_punishment. The rest of your question are non sequiturs.
Kali October 21, 2012 at 09:16 AM
Lou, I know the Eighth Amendment. I see nothing that states we are obligated to coddle prisoners. You may site "Degrading Human Dignity" . What I a trying to convey to you, ( with little success it seems ) that prisoners should not be given all the comforts of home ( and more ). A cell. A cot. Food. and the lowest form of medical care if needed. To me, that is what the constiution states. You seem to think that if they do not have T.V.s, computers, Gyms, " Cadillac Health Care, as an article just pointed out today in the daily journal, $410K for a doctor, $236K for a nurce, $196$ for a Pharm tech ), schooling, commissaries for regular food, etc. that their "Dignity" is degraded. Garbage. Based on your logic, why put them in prison? Is that not "Degrading"? Since you feel so much for the prisoners, why don't you sign you paycheck right over to the system. Also, you never answered my question. The Familys? Is that what meant by your snide remark non sequitirus?
Lou Covey, The Local Motive October 22, 2012 at 05:22 PM
"You seem to think that if they do not have T.V.s, computers, Gyms, " Cadillac Health Care, as an article just pointed out today in the daily journal, $410K for a doctor, $236K for a nurce, $196$ for a Pharm tech ), schooling, commissaries for regular food, etc. that their "Dignity" is degraded. Garbage." If you take a look at my comments, you will see I said nothing of the kind and your assumption that I suggested that is a non sequitur. I was responding directly to your statement "Throw them in there and slam the door. They get sick, too bad. They die." Which does not imply but states directly that you would deny medical help for someone who is in prison for possessing a marijuana cigarette next to a person who murdered 15 children, because your statement is all inclusive. That would also apply to people who have been wrongly incarcerated. I have a book suggestion for you call " Picking Cotton." It's about a woman who positively identified her rapist, who was sentenced to life in prison, only to find 11 years later after a DNA test, that it was another man who raped her. How would you feel if that innocent man had contracted an illness and died in prison before he could be exonerated. Your position is black and white, filled with hatred, and has no consideration for reality. Kinda goes with your pseudonym.

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